The yellow submarine theory,

[follow1yourpath]

Ok, I have know knowledge if this is another theory or branches off another theory or whatever, (thats half the reason im posting this.) But anyway, one day, a freind and i were strolling down the street, just toking on some wisdom herb. But some how i got to singing the tune "yellow submarine" by the beatles. and then we started skateboarding and as i was cruising i started thinking and came up with the idea of "THE YELLOW SUBMARINE THEORY"
Ok, this may sound stupid, dumb, whatever and it probly has alot of flaws. But ok just think. At the very end of space as deep as it goes, is just a wall or a window, and we are all living in one big yellow submarine. like The whole world, all of earth everything on earth, all the planets. every galaxy every star, everything of matter and non matter, EVERYTHING was inside that submarine. now water, i realy havent thought it out to much yet but the water is a leak or water that has goten inside are submarine.
Now, your probly asking well whats outside the submarine? and the answer is more submarines. and inside of those submarines is just a whole nother world, all of earth everything on earth, all the planets. every galaxy every star, everything of matter and non matter, EVERYTHING. and all we are, are just workers on a submarine, sailing in a fleet of submarines.
I havent thought this part out very well either, but the end of earth will be that are submarine Sunk, ( enough water is let in to the submarine that we are sunk) AKA GLOBAL WARMIN. another way of the end is that we could meet a hostile fleet of submarines or soemthing of that sort, but we could be shot down by an opposing submarine.
This is probly the most ridiculous thing ever but its all good man
Comments criticisim negative postive sall good bruda! let me know if this branches off any other theorys or is another theory,
Strictly Casey Dallas, Peace Love And Understand.

[BioWizard]

follow1yourpath,

Your post does not constitute a theory, not a scientific one anyway.

In scientific usage, a theory does not mean an unsubstantiated guess or hunch, as it can in everyday speech. A theory is a logically self-consistent model or framework for describing the behavior of a related set of natural or social phenomena. It originates from and/or is supported by experimental evidence (see scientific method). In this sense, a theory is a systematic and formalized expression of all previous observations that is predictive, logical and testable. In principle, scientific theories are always tentative, and subject to corrections or inclusion in a yet wider theory. Commonly, a large number of more specific hypotheses may be logically bound together by just one or two theories. As a general rule for use of the term, theories tend to deal with much broader sets of universals than do hypotheses, which ordinarily deal with much more specific sets of phenomena or specific applications of a theory.

The term theoretical is sometimes used to describe a result that is predicted by theory but has not yet been adequately tested by observation or experiment. It is not uncommon for a theory to produce predictions that are later confirmed by experiment.

In physics, the term theory is generally used for a mathematical framework — derived from a small set of basic principles (usually symmetries - like equality of locations in space or in time, or identity of electrons, etc) — which is capable of producing experimental predictions for a given category of physical systems. A good example is electromagnetic theory, which encompasses the results that can be derived from gauge symmetry (sometimes called gauge invariance) in a form of a few equations called Maxwell's equations. Another name for this theory is classical electromagnetism. Note that the specific theoretical aspects of classical electromagnetic theory, which have been consistently and successfully replicated for well over a century, are termed "laws of electromagnetism", reflecting the fact that they are today taken as granted. Within electromagnetic theory generally, there are numerous hypotheses about how electromagnetism applies to specific situations. Many of these hypotheses are already considered to be adequately tested, with new ones always in the making and perhaps untested as yet.

The term theory is occasionally stretched to refer to theoretical speculation that is currently unverifiable. Examples are string theory and various theories of everything. In common speech, theory has a far wider and less defined meaning than its use in the sciences.

reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory#science

[Ian!]

First of all, there can't be a window without a wall, and there is no wall in space its never ending, always expanding. And i think the "water that leaked in our "submarine" or in other words galaxy is the human race. Our "submarine" is torpedoing its self. As far as i know we didn't get global warming put on us by some other galaxy. And for you mister BioWizard anything is a theroy, it doesnt matter if its by Albert Einstein or Casey Dallas.

[Steve-O]

Thank you follow1yourpath,
That was probably the funniest thing I have ever read.
And yes, I think it does stem from another theory. Einstein came up with it right after the photoelectric effect but had to get to general relativity so he never had time to publish. A true shame.
Keep smokin the "wisdom herb", and im sure the rest of the theory will come.
Steve-O
PS- The irony in all this..... he will end up being right. Just before we die, the captain of this galactic submarine will have the last laugh!

[BioWizard]

And for you mister BioWizard anything is a theroy, it doesnt matter if its by Albert Einstein or Casey Dallas.

Ummmm.... Yeah? So where in the definition I quoted from wikipedia was it stated that a scientific theory is defined by its author? My comment was not personal. The label of "theory" was incorrectly bestowed on something that isn't, and I pointed it out, for whatever it's worth (actually it's my job to do so, as a moderator).

[gotterdammerung]

Eeeeezzz now rude boyz... first off, it's just as likely that all existence is contained within a submarine as it existence is contained within . B) The guy goes through the whole process of signing up for an account so he can share a thought he's come to on his own, and you respond with a curt, condescending response likely to prevent him from posting on here again; and while you did soften it slightly with "not a scientific one anyway", this implies that his comments are not suitable for a scientific forum. C) Your a moderator alright, congratulations, you've been deemed a better suited overseer for this intellectual community then most others who visit this website. And while I'll bet that ensuring a comfortable atmosphere and the greatest possible transfer of information between all members isn't in your job description, doing the opposite sure makes you sound like a doink. Fourthly, I seriously doubt that your response would be as it was if his comment was formatted differently. His typing suggests he's a young, skateboarding, slang using, pot smoking, inexperienced, good natured, inquisitive, and ponderous individual who was reticent to post in the first place. And you, the PhD seeking, intellectual community moderator comes in and shuts him down. Ouch! These are only suppositions, but I think even you would come to this conclusion if you weren't the person in question. E) The yellow submarine is a great metaphor for anchoring a difficult concept to think about. Sixthly, semantics are for linguists... go re-thread yourself! Seventhly, the incongruency of my list really burned you up, didn't it ;)

I get your theory, and here's how I relate it. The submarine that contains "everything" I considered to be the separation between time and space, and whatever the hell exists beyond time and space.

Everything inside the submarine are workers helping to maneuver itself through the journey of ever increasing information and complexity. Our reality is perpetually evolving into a more complex form (talk about the internet, or hypnosis a few hundred years ago and they would think you're nuts!). Every single atom in existence has contributed in some way or another to the advances we've made, or will contribute to the advances we will make in our knowledge, and therefor can be expressed as a "worker on this submarine".

Are there other submarines beyond ours? Well first you have to remember that (in my theory) beyond (each) submarine time and space ceases to be a factor. This means that all the things which may exist outside of our sub are in the exact same place at the exact same time (in fact, the submarines would be invisible because they wouldn't take up any space). So I would guess there is either one submarine (ours), OR there are an infinite number of submarines. Unfortunately there's no way of verifying whether or not there's more than one (dimension?)/submarine. If there is more than one submarine, I think each submarine would be a part of an even greater submarine, a super, ultra yellow, invisible submarine (like how each living cell in our body makes up each of us, a conscious super cell). I recall a story about an old woman who tells a man that the entire universe rests on the back of a giant turtle. The man then asks what the turtle rests on. The woman, wise to his logic exclaims, "It's no use! It's turtle, turtles, TURTLES ALL THE WAY!". The Men in Black movies both ended by showing our universe in a similar fashion as this. 1st as a marble which gargantuan aliens are playing with, and B) (:P), as the inside of a locker in a MASSIVE alien highschool (just like the universe in a locker in our world that saw Will Smith as their God).

A little brain candy to "coj-U-tate" with.

[BioWizard]

I don't understand what everyone is so worked up about. I didn't insult the guy or demean his intelligence. I just showed him the difference between theory and speculation. I think that's a lot more helpful to him than to lead him on and be "nice". Scientists don't cuddle.

What's funny is that Steve-O (who's post I was about to moderate) made complete fun of the OP, and yet everyone decided to hammer on the moderator who wanted to teach the guy how a scientific theory is constructed, and what it is supposed to perform in terms of explaination AND prediction. With zero predictive potential, a theory is nothing more than a speculation.

Go figure.

[Nick]

This thread makes me cringe a fair bit. Is the scientific method so far removed from everyday life that people will take "I believe in " on the same footing as a scientific theory, based on logic and backed up by experimental evidence?

[Forest_Dump]

"This thread makes me cringe a fair bit. Is the scientific method so far removed from everyday life that people will take "I believe in " on the same footing as a scientific theory, based on logic and backed up by experimental evidence?"

It certainly seems that way now. Personally, I think it is a definite failing of our educational system, etc., that any stray idea can be called a theory or philosophy without any attempt at rigour. I get the impression that if someone wanted to say that 2+2=7, that would be considered okay. In fact, I often have students who want their marks to add up that way. Literally - recently a student who got 40% on the exam and 50% on a term paper demanded a "B" as a final mark!

[jshort]

Ya know I thought that initial post was actually meant to be a joke. I'm not sure the author was ever so series about actually having a scientific discussion on it. This is why I was a bit suprised when BioWizad and others, started marking strict scientific comments on it (such as providing a very detailed description on how to properly constuct a scientific theory).

Anyway I had a good laugh!

[PeSla]

For what it is worth, has anyone else notices that star trek is very much like submarines under the sea? Perhaps the same degrees of freedom are involved here. In a sense too the big church down the road looks to me like a space ship where the worshipers go into on Sunday to take flight into some unknown. I suppose this is not a theory in a sense but more like Aristotle showing there are things contained in things if we try to define universe. Such speculations do indeed hover between religion and science before they split apart.

How many, how many black holes are filled in Albert Hall? Just how far can we make predictions to the depths from initial information on a pin head?

[BioWizard]

Ya know I thought that initial post was actually meant to be a joke. I'm not sure the author was ever so series about actually having a scientific discussion on it. This is why I was a bit suprised when BioWizad and others, started marking strict scientific comments on it (such as providing a very detailed description on how to properly constuct a scientific theory).

Anyway I had a good laugh!

I didn't think the OP was serious either, but I cannot base my response on that assumption.

[Forest_Dump]

There has been some discussion (at least between Bio and myself) about coming up with a bit more rigour in some of the strings here. I am not against idle chit-chat but there are many web sites and chat rooms for that kind of thing. While I tend to view this site as being more along the lines of entertainment, I am getting weary of checking strings that offer the promise of being informative and interesting but finding that all that is there, after a lot of reading, is uninformed idle speculation and whistful musings that tell me nothing beyond what someone was fantacising about at some given point. I have lots of books and journals to read, plus novels, etc., for my free time and try to maximise what little I have. I think we need to take a closer look at what might be informative and educational and what belongs in other places.

[follow1yourpath]

Ok, The whole reason i even decided to post this, was to Get people thinking, to get people talking, hell i can barely spell "theory" oh and the "young, skateboarding, slang using, pot smoking, inexperienced, good natured, inquisitive, and ponderous individual" You labaled pretty much correct, But he's is a good friend of mine, and for "antisocial boris" why would you say "This thread makes me cringe a fair bit. Is the scientific method so far removed from everyday life that people will take "I believe in " on the same footing as a scientific theory, based on logic and backed up by experimental evidence?" EVERYTHING IS A THEORY no matter what it is, life is a theory as far as we know. and the idea may be a bit humorous haha but it least im thinking, and not just playing video games like the majourity of us. And relax on the moderator its sall good this whole post was just to stir discussion like i said, Strictly Casey Dallas Peace Love and Understanding.

[BioWizard]

EVERYTHING IS A THEORY no matter what it is, life is a theory as far as we know.

Well see... not really, but I already went over that.

and the idea may be a bit humorous haha but it least im thinking, and not just playing video games like the majourity of us.

Yep, keep it up. Obviously you got people posting, whether to comment on the idea or to talk about what constitutes a scientific theory.

And relax on the moderator its sall good this whole post was just to stir discussion like i said, Strictly Casey Dallas Peace Love and Understanding.

We're relaxed, just not enough to let the boards run amuck.

I hope you're having fun with your thread. Keep thinking :)