Mossling » July 1st, 2018, 10:33 pm wrote: I am saying there is an apparent common 'celebration of ignorance' regarding the more sophisticated (elitist) world between Trumpists and Amish,
No, there is not. They are very, very different, and both are very, very different from Vanuatu natives.
whilst at the same time enjoying the material benefits that arise from that sophistication, without recognising that those benefits are owed to the hard work of their fellow better-educated countrymen.
That's not true, either. The Mennonites are hard and honest workers; they tread lightly on the earth, deal fairly with their neighbours, and take nothing that they don't earn. The reason for their choice of lifestyle is one of principle, not convenience.
The Trump base is more diverse, but the majority is working people who don't want a free ride. They want a fair chance and feel hard-done-by. The feeling is not unjustified - but it is easily exploitable, and has been exploited for two centuries. If they're deplorable, they have been knowingly, purposefully reduced to that condition by 'sophisticated' people who had advantage over them. As for the self-righteous religious right, the frightened misogynist, racist right, the privileged tax-dodging right - they are always on the lookout for a vehicle to power. This time they made a bad mistake in choosing the Trumpmobile to ride: it's got no brakes or steering wheel.
Oversimplified, inaccurate parallels can be as misleading as deliberate distortion of facts.
I am saying that the foreign trolls are posing as 'sophisticated champions of empirical ignorance' in order to give the uneducated ignorant Trump cultists more heart ... so that the US descends into further turmoil.
Obviously. But the natives who found a crashed airplane had no such agenda, so why drag them into modern politics?
to bite the sophisticated "elite" hands that feed them -
Those sophisticated elite hands have been spectacularly
failing to feed large swathes of the population - or to educate, or to employ. Now, who is really responsible for this failure is a little bit obscure to me, and I have a longer perspective and more access to unbiased sources than most of the bible belt. Trump and his predecessors (of ever-descending integrity) don't just offer relief: they offer an intelligible explanation, when nobody else does.
They are not intellectually rigorous or practiced enough to 1) Identify that they are being trolled/influenced from abroad,
Are you familiar with the media propaganda to which they are subjected, and have been subjected, day after day, for decades? Do you have any idea of its volume and tone?
and 2) Even care about their own national industries.
In the USA, 'national industry' is an oxymoron. Why should they? American industry is not
their own. They have no share in its profit or decisions-making. It has used them, made them sick, killed and discarded them; it has destroyed their class solidarity, self-esteem and identity, trashed their communities, sunk them into debt and abandoned them. All with the collusion of pro-business governments.
Many of them likely see Trump's rhetoric about national industry and identity as part of his method of getting the cargo,
There is no 'cargo'. There is no Trump University. There is no Trump Foundation. There is no Swamp drainage. America may be powerful, but it was never anywhere as great as Americans like to believe, and nobody can make it so. That's the really big swindle.
Those CEOs, engineers, 'brainy elites',
You do understand this is not a single coherent package; nor is it the "elite" to which right-wing politicians generally allude when they're looking for scapegoats. The white liberal intelligencia and academics have little in common with car manufacturers and venture capitalists.
The Trump cultists
And this - all that follows - is just mean stereotyping.
Certainly, Trump's supporters include some unsavoury groups, some unscrupulous interest blocs, some downright evil bastards and many corrupt individuals. But it also includes a lot of simple, deluded, misguided people who really believed in making America great [again].
A foreign adversary to the US would be wise to inflate this phenomenon as much as possible - to encourage Trump to aggressively target native industries in order to keep the cargo flowing to his followers,
What have they received so far? For that matter, what "native industries" is trump targeting? The idjit thinks tariffs protect native industry - because he has no clue how industry works. His only product is a name he keeps renting out.
whilst in the process sowing the seeds of native industrial outrage and conflict
That biplane departed in 1982.
- all to the political benefit of other nations.
Which nations? How do they benefit?
I see the whole of America being seriously trolled from outside at the moment in this way - it's like a giant car crash.
I might go along with car crash - like, a 300-vehiocle pileup. But, outside? That's a mere drop in the home-grown bucket.
Only by the cargo (public tax money and WH powers) being removed from their cult leader/god's possession will they start to 'listen' to something resembling logical discourse - to Truth.
Means and method of accomplishing such a removal?
Likelihood and source of such logical discourse?
If you are sincere about serving the truth [not Truth: anyone who claims a stake in that is automatically a charlatan], stop scatter-accusing and get down to cases.