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BadgerJelly » January 13th, 2018, 10:50 am wrote:I am starting to think you are completely blinded by hatred here.
I was asking VERY clearly, if it was "racist" to call a country a "shithole" and whether it bother you that almost anything he says is portrayed as "racist"? For example, say you go on holiday to India and return to call the place a "shithole" ... does that make you a racist too?
Saying things like "Last year he said Kill all the Jews." and then referring to comments about the state of a country as being equally racist is disingenuous. I thought you'd be smart enough to see this. I guess not. What happens when you criticize a country or comment on its state of poverty, will you be called racist too?
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p.s. - You seriously wonder why people regard him as an idiot, as well as a racist ?
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Lomax » Mon Jan 15, 2018 9:26 am wrote:The sentence "Syria is a shithole country" is not racist. If Syrians are living in a shithole, which they are,
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zetreque » January 15th, 2018, 7:08 pm wrote:Lomax » Mon Jan 15, 2018 9:26 am wrote:The sentence "Syria is a shithole country" is not racist. If Syrians are living in a shithole, which they are,
Speaking of complicated. Are they really?
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Lomax » Mon Jan 15, 2018 10:12 am wrote: if you were about to be reincarnated, and had a choice of birthplace between Syria and the USA, which would you choose? Assuming self-interest. There are presumably some happy people in every country but on the whole Syria is surely a comparatively unpleasant place to live in 2018.
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zetreque » January 15th, 2018, 7:32 pm wrote:There is no choice in such a decision and people only know what they were born into.
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In fiscal year 2016, exactly 362 Norwegians become permanent legal residents of the United States. Short of kidnapping Norwegians and using extreme rendition to coerce them to enter our shores, there is no way to increase Norwegian immigration.
And why should they come? Norway has full employment, a competitive private economy, one of the world’s most comprehensive welfare states, paid parental leave of a year after a child is born, universal health insurance, and free higher education. Its life expectancy far exceeds ours, its GDP per capita is $70,912, compared to $57,638 in the U.S. Citizen satisfaction surveys rate Norway as the world’s happiest country. And this was the case before they struck oil.
The place is pristine and almost crime-free. Indeed, from the perspective of Norway, it is America that looks like kind of a dritt hull – that’s Norwegian for shit-hole.
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“we should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to christianity”
“There is burgeoning evidence that excess radiation operates as a sort of cancer vaccine.”
My only regret with Timothy Mcveigh is that he did not go to the New York Times building.” (Interview with New York Observer 2002)
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zetreque wrote:...extremely offensive and degrading to use such language.
zetreque wrote:It's generalized and if not short sighted just plain idiotic. Stupidity or short sighted small mindedness resonates with his fan base.
BadgerJelly wrote:If you cannot find a good thing to say about someone then look in the mirror at the monster you're hiding. I fear you more than I fear Trump make no mistake...
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RJG » Tue Jan 23, 2018 1:18 pm wrote:zetreque wrote:...extremely offensive and degrading to use such language.zetreque wrote:It's generalized and if not short sighted just plain idiotic. Stupidity or short sighted small mindedness resonates with his fan base.
********BadgerJelly wrote:If you cannot find a good thing to say about someone then look in the mirror at the monster you're hiding. I fear you more than I fear Trump make no mistake...
Well said Badger, ... agreed.
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BadgerJelly » January 23rd, 2018, 8:06 am wrote:Toucan -
So you disagree with her point or just want to express hatred? Is it possible she has a point or does that come secondary to the fact she is uncouth?
Katie Hopkins is repulsive too, so what? That doesn't make everything she says complete nonsense. My general point here is to call out the refusal to deal with the words being said and instead jump to WHO is saying them.
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SciameriKen wrote:Actually Zet is spot on here.
BadgerJelly wrote:If you cannot find a good thing to say about someone then look in the mirror at the monster you're hiding. I fear you more than I fear Trump make no mistake...
SciameriKen wrote:Badgers larger point is taken that we should keep an open mind to the other sides arguments…
SciameriKen wrote:…but sometimes you just have to call a spade a spade.
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RJG » Tue Jan 23, 2018 4:25 pm wrote:SciameriKen wrote:Actually Zet is spot on here.
Which part is “spot on”?
Is it the part where Zet says that it is “extremely offensive” to use “such degrading language”?, …or is it the part where he calls Trump supporters “idiotic”, “stupid”, and “small mindedness”?BadgerJelly wrote:If you cannot find a good thing to say about someone then look in the mirror at the monster you're hiding. I fear you more than I fear Trump make no mistake...SciameriKen wrote:Badgers larger point is taken that we should keep an open mind to the other sides arguments…
Yes, Badger is "spot on" here, and I certainly agree, …don’t you?SciameriKen wrote:…but sometimes you just have to call a spade a spade.
…and a hypocrite a hypocrite?
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Badgers larger point is taken that we should keep an open mind to the other sides arguments, but sometimes you just have to call a spade a spade.
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BadgerJelly » Tue Jan 23, 2018 5:24 pm wrote:Sci -Badgers larger point is taken that we should keep an open mind to the other sides arguments, but sometimes you just have to call a spade a spade.
No, my point is you shouldn't conflate what a person says with who they are or ignore what they say because you think they are representing something you dislike. This is because when you hear someone else saying the same thing as those from "the other side" you're inclined to attach a label to them and think of them as being the same as X or Y.
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- Gelee de BlaireauThis is a perfect demonstration of what worries me about how people choose to perceive opponents as unworthy people who use nothing more than vitriol to gather a following.
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SciameriKen wrote:Zet is calling the content and the method of message delivery stupid, short-sighted, and idiotic and that this resonates with his fan base - and it does.
SciameriKen wrote:...we should keep an open mind to the other sides arguments...
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