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Paul Anthony » June 9th, 2017, 10:59 am wrote:But feel free to interpret things any way you like. Everyone else does. :)
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Paul Anthony » June 9th, 2017, 2:27 pm wrote:Einstein said imagination is more important than knowledge. Congratulations, Mossling.
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Republicans on the committee tried to protect Trump by highlighting how Trump had asked Comey to help Flynn, noting the president had said, “I hope you can see your way clear to letting this go.” Expressing hope, they noted, is not a command. Yet Comey swatted that away, saying he was shocked by the request and interpreted Trump’s statement as an instruction. “I took it as a direction,” Comey testified, adding, “I didn’t obey.” This was solid testimony that the president was trying to block an FBI investigation of a close associate. Whether or not that qualifies as obstruction of justice—Comey told the senators that special counsel Robert Mueller will be reviewing this question—it is a serious charge. Moreover, Comey’s account directly contradicts Trump’s assertion that he did not ask Comey to let Flynn off the hook. Unless Comey is making up this tale, Trump has been caught in a bold lie.
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Braininvat » Fri Jun 09, 2017 5:36 am wrote:
I think this reporter (David Corn) addresses the point that, if Comey has given accurate testimony, then Trump has lied. Interesting that some here side-stepped this part of the testimony. It seems pretty clear to me that when a powerful leader clears the room to privately tell you they "hope" you will do something, that's kind of like Don Corleone telling you he "hopes" you will accept his offer. It's meant as an order. I think people on both sides of the aisle can recognize the corrupt nature of the meeting with Comey. It may not be actionable in court, but it's still pretty clear that the quacking thing with webbed feet is a duck.
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Paul Anthony » June 11th, 2017, 6:53 am wrote:People who think they know what other people are thinking are either prescient or delusional.
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Mossling » Sat Jun 10, 2017 5:16 pm wrote:Paul Anthony » June 11th, 2017, 6:53 am wrote:People who think they know what other people are thinking are either prescient or delusional.
But you think you know what Comey is thinking?
He was head of the FBI and had access to information that you do not at present. How about giving him the benefit of the doubt? Innocent until proven guilty?
We all know Trump has a penchant for lying. Come on now, if there's one thing we do know, it's that. It's one of the main reasons this thread even exists.
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Mossling » June 20th, 2017, 4:46 pm wrote: a military whistleblower being incarcerated for breaching a secrecy oath
When has a US president been so wayward as to apparently obstruct justice in a manner comparable to Trump? I don't even think this is Nixon territory anymore...
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Sivad » June 21st, 2017, 10:03 am wrote:Mossling » June 20th, 2017, 4:46 pm wrote: a military whistleblower being incarcerated for breaching a secrecy oath
Journalists were prosecuted as well, and it was malicious prosecution for exposing illegal and unconstitutional actions like torture and mass surveillance. It was also used to threaten and intimidate anyone else who might be considering exposing government malfeasance. To my thinking that's far more outrageous than anything Trump has been accused of. ,
When has a US president been so wayward as to apparently obstruct justice in a manner comparable to Trump? I don't even think this is Nixon territory anymore...
Of all the scandals in the upper echelons over the last 15 years this one is comparatively minor.
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Mossling » June 21st, 2017, 6:46 am wrote:It's interesting to see how people think a POTUS firing the head of FBI who is investigating his suspicious ties to a traditional enemy state is on the same sociopolitical level as a military whistleblower being incarcerated for breaching a secrecy oath, for example, or a trigger-happy racist policeman shooting someone in cold blood.
From my perspective it's like comparing senile dementia to arthritis. Trump is the brain of the US, a police officer or military operative is not. That is a big difference.
When has a US president been so wayward as to apparently obstruct justice in a manner comparable to Trump? I don't even think this is Nixon territory anymore...
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Mossling » June 20th, 2017, 10:42 pm wrote:Oh, really? Please do share the ones that you think were more major...
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Yeah, they're definitely not going quietly, but after 40 years of neoliberalism Western society is starting to swing back towards social democracy and as the momentum builds they'll be dragged kicking and screaming into a new New Deal. Should be amusing to watch.Lomax » May 23rd, 2017, 8:43 am wrote: When an engine of democracy becomes as degraded as that, an example needs to be made of it.
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Sivad » June 22nd, 2017, 10:48 am wrote:Trump has been shitlisted by the establishment for a number of reasons so they're going after him for it. I'm not a Trump supporter, I hope hey lock him up, I just deplore bullshit partisan hypocrisy more than I loathe Trump.
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Mossling » June 25th, 2017, 7:28 pm wrote:Sivad » June 22nd, 2017, 10:48 am wrote:Trump has been shitlisted by the establishment for a number of reasons so they're going after him for it. I'm not a Trump supporter, I hope hey lock him up, I just deplore bullshit partisan hypocrisy more than I loathe Trump.
But Trump's scandals are linked to the significant Russian interference in the election, which he has now recognised himself (and is trying to blame Obama for), which seems like it puts him beyond "regular politicking".
That very political system has been, and could very likely still be, under threat from a traditional foreign enemy, and via the office of the POTUS himself, which is something new.
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