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BadgerJelly » Mon Dec 12, 2016 9:04 am wrote:It depends on where you are coming from. Ethically the answer should be obvious, and causally we tend to assume one more than the other because that is how causality appears in a physical sense.
Ethically we are better off assuming we have free will (rationally the only option).
When dealing with experimnetation we tend to lok for determined patterns in order to create theories.
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BadgerJelly » December 12th, 2016, 6:04 pm wrote:It depends on where you are coming from. Ethically the answer should be obvious, and causally we tend to assume one more than the other because that is how causality appears in a physical sense.
Ethically we are better off assuming we have free will (rationally the only option).
When dealing with experimnetation we tend to lok for determined patterns in order to create theories.
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Dave_Oblad » December 14th, 2016, 8:14 pm wrote:Hi mutchellmckain,
Name one single instance when your Will is Random.
Dave_Oblad » December 14th, 2016, 8:14 pm wrote:When it's not random then it is causal, and if it's always causal, then many factors determine your will, therefore your will is always determined by something(s).
Dave_Oblad » December 14th, 2016, 8:14 pm wrote:The problem is a semantics issue with the word Free. None of you decisions are free.. they are weighted. And when the weights are balanced, you will rather flip a coin than make a random choice, especially if the consequences will be significant. We far prefer to make weighted choices and all weighted choices are causal.
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Dave_Oblad » December 21st, 2016, 6:33 am wrote:Hi neuro,
What the hell are you saying, if it is free.. it is random!
(sorry.. I couldn't resist)
I accept the idea that I am free to design my future (even if my future is already fated).
But I'll keep out of this thread here on. Too philosophical for this dumb-dumb ;^P
Best regards,
Dave :^)
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vivian maxine » December 21st, 2016, 1:54 pm wrote:
And I shall hang around to see where this is going compared to where Michael Gazzaniga is going in "Who's in Charge?" I've not gotten far enough to declare any knowledge but I've a feeling he is making the will of physical causes.
Of course I am wrong. So, end of my comments, I promise -- for now. :-)
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vivian maxine » December 21st, 2016, 11:15 pm wrote: What I am thinking is that the will cannot be free if it comes totally from neuron and synapse "actions".
Does that make sense?
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Braininvat » December 23rd, 2016, 12:11 pm wrote:Of course, even if hard determinism were the state of affairs, we would still have laws and ethical standards and still hold people responsible...because it was inevitable that we would do so. (wink wink)
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vivian maxine » December 23rd, 2016, 6:47 pm wrote:Braininvat » December 23rd, 2016, 12:11 pm wrote:Of course, even if hard determinism were the state of affairs, we would still have laws and ethical standards and still hold people responsible...because it was inevitable that we would do so. (wink wink)
But could you enforce it? More than one psychologist has gotten an accused declared innocent due to a problem with the accused's brain or mind. "He could not help it. He had an abusive childhood." Or, with determinism: "His brain made him do it. His subconscious had already decided he would do it." Do you remember the Twinkie story - the man who shot the mayor of San Francisco when he was "high" on Twinkies? I'll bet grocers were hopping to stock up on Twinkies after that.
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SciameriKen » December 23rd, 2016, 2:44 pm wrote:From my perspective I have total and complete free will - now I'll just happily go to work because I want to!
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