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elvinjansol » May 22nd, 2016, 2:37 pm wrote:The stratosphere is too big from its damage is there a new reseach that could cure the damage to prevent the effects?
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Braininvat » May 22nd, 2016, 4:02 pm wrote:Ban all energy sources and technology that is not carbon-neutral.
Ban rice farming, beef and pork production, and CH4 leakage of any kind.
Everyone eat a vegan diet.
Bring back mules, for all agricultural cultivation.
Ban all harvesting of old growth forests and rainforest clearing.
Ban all families with more than one child, until population is reduced to 2 billion.
Ban all production of cement and wallboard.
....that should get you started.
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Hmmm... a little drastic maybe? Cure worse than the disease? Surely, the idea is to solve the problem while maintaining our dissolute lifestyles, no?
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Braininvat » May 22nd, 2016, 6:57 pm wrote:Hmmm... a little drastic maybe? Cure worse than the disease? Surely, the idea is to solve the problem while maintaining our dissolute lifestyles, no?
That was my point, delivered in a Swiftian style. Humans alter climate, it's what we do. The best we can do is mitigation of the most catastrophic effects. Maybe. If we're lucky.
Elvin, note there are many past threads here on this topic. The search function is your friend.
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elvinjansol » May 21st, 2016, 8:51 am wrote:How can we prevent the effect of climate change?
uninfinite -- we could get clean energy from volcanoes.
But I think there are similar fix-it type solutions to climate change that would enable us to maintain high welfare societies - that are sound in principle, but in practice still require a lot of thinking about.
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Serpent » May 22nd, 2016, 3:45 pm wrote:elvinjansol » May 21st, 2016, 8:51 am wrote:How can we prevent the effect of climate change?
Go back to 1970 and make the necessary drastic changes to human populations, diets, lifestyles and economies.
Sure, climate changes all the time, but it usually takes 20,000 years to make the alterations we've managed in 200. It's not the change that's causing trouble; it's the rate of change.
There is nothing we can do to prevent it now: it's already happening, and it will keep accelerating. The arctic ice and glaciers will melt ever faster, the rivers will flood and then dry up, islands and coastlines will keep disappearing; species will keep going extinct; crops will keep failing; Alberta and California will keep burning.
We could perhaps mitigate the effects on some populations by taking the drastic actions Braininvat mentioned, plus others, like not manufacturing weapons, plastics or pesticides, not transporting shiploads of frivolous overpackaged consumer crap - or overfed, self-indulgent cruise-line passengers - across the oceans... I'm sure we can all think of more.
But it would be bad for the economy that caused it in the first place, so i guess we'd rather die.uninfinite -- we could get clean energy from volcanoes.
If you live on top of a vulcano, have at it. Or a geyser, or the tide, or fermenting hops, or whatever your local energy source is. Just don't try to build a pipeline from Mt. St Helen to Chicago.But I think there are similar fix-it type solutions to climate change that would enable us to maintain high welfare societies - that are sound in principle, but in practice still require a lot of thinking about.
There are lots of technological ideas that might work - or kill us all, if they don't. And it does no harm to think about them. But since time is no longer on our side, it would be good to get on with the practical side while we're thinking.
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There is another thread here covering this.
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Watson » May 23rd, 2016, 4:37 pm wrote:Yes, I should look for it and post the link, but I was looking for it because of Italy and couldn't find it. I just had the feeling I was about to be repeating myself. Seems the Italian government is worried about a decline in population so they are paying the country to have more babies. Just that short term thinking we need in leadership roles. Immigration is not considered for obvious reasons.
Maybe Trump can send all Italians back to Italy as part of his cultural reassignment program.
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elvinjansol » May 24th, 2016, 12:23 am wrote:Your thoughts are good my friends but i need a concrete way to resolve the issue. Dont you have any ways on your countries where we can also adopt to resolve this and help us.
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This strongly implies that the wealthy upper layers of affluence are extremely dependent on the over population to support their lifestyle of excess.
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