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manishsqrt » June 21st, 2015, 4:43 pm wrote:I just want a logical reason behind murder being depict as a crime
we have an obvious feeling that murder is a crime
Does 'want' really has to do something with law?
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In which countries do you think suicide (or attempted suicide) is a crime? It has been decriminalised in most Western countries for some time. India plans to decriminalise it shortly. It is not illegal in China.Paul Anthony » Sat Nov 21, 2015 8:50 pm wrote:What baffles me is why suicide is a crime.
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Eclogite » Sun Nov 22, 2015 4:37 am wrote:In which countries do you think suicide (or attempted suicide) is a crime? It has been decriminalised in most Western countries for some time. India plans to decriminalise it shortly. It is not illegal in China.Paul Anthony » Sat Nov 21, 2015 8:50 pm wrote:What baffles me is why suicide is a crime.
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You feel that assisted suicide is still illegal because it is stigmatized? You don't think it might be more related to ethical, or practical concerns? I don't believe I have ever heard anyone object to assisted suicide on those grounds.Paul Anthony » Sun Nov 22, 2015 12:00 pm wrote:Yes, suicide was decriminalized in the US in 1961. It is still stigmatized, however, which is why assisted suicide is still illegal in most states.
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Eclogite » Sun Nov 22, 2015 2:47 pm wrote: You feel that assisted suicide is still illegal because it is stigmatized? You don't think it might be more related to ethical, or practical concerns? I don't believe I have ever heard anyone object to assisted suicide on those grounds.
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So, suicide was made illegal in some places because it was considered immoral to take a life. That is the same reason that it was stigmatised.Paul Anthony » Sun Nov 22, 2015 5:55 pm wrote:Yes, there are other reasons some are opposed to assisted suicide, but I think those reasons have their basis in the belief that it is immoral to take a life.Eclogite » Sun Nov 22, 2015 2:47 pm wrote: You feel that assisted suicide is still illegal because it is stigmatized? You don't think it might be more related to ethical, or practical concerns? I don't believe I have ever heard anyone object to assisted suicide on those grounds.
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Eclogite » Mon Nov 23, 2015 2:40 am wrote:The stigmatisation and the illegality both arise from the moral issue. They are both consequences. One is not the cause of the other.
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Braininvat » 24 Nov 2015, 02:14 wrote:The only moral grounds I have been able to find for opposing suicide are ones specific to a religion. For example, some theologians say that God gave us our life and only he/she can take it. Others say that all our actions exist in some kind of Eternity, and so we don't want an Eternity that contains anything so downbeat as self-killing. Others say there is a karmic value to suffering and we must accept a painful death if that is our fate. The point is, I don't see any secular moral basis for opposing suicide, so I don't see how a secular society can rationally take a position on suicide.
There are non-religious moral issues surrounding assisted suicide, however, given that there is a natural concern about the elderly being manipulated or coerced in some way. Personally, I don't think these are insurmountable problems, and well-crafted legislation should be able to both protect the elderly and give us all the freedom to find merciful release. And what is it about the Pacific Northwest that allows them to figure this stuff out before the rest of the country? Must be all the oxygen from those old-growth forests...
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You made a statement that struck me as inaccurate. I was seeking your agreement that the statement was inaccurate. You appear to be indifferent to this, which bemuses me enough to withdraw from the conversation.Paul Anthony » Mon Nov 23, 2015 12:09 pm wrote:Eclogite » Mon Nov 23, 2015 2:40 am wrote:The stigmatisation and the illegality both arise from the moral issue. They are both consequences. One is not the cause of the other.
If you say so. What's your point?
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Braininvat » 24 Nov 2015, 23:47 wrote:So excruciating pain from liver cancer is society's fault?
Clearly, there is rational and merciful suicide. And, as an issue, it's usually addressed in terms of agonizing terminal illness, so I find your example of dying for the emperor a bit of a red herring.
I have to get on the road for a Thanksgiving trip, so perhaps others can weigh in on this.
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manishsqrt wrote:Don't consider me as a criminal, neither am i an unsound person who is trying to justify murder.I just want a logical reason behind murder being depict as a crime.Most of you will feel this question stupid because we have an obvious feeling that murder is a crime.
But have you ever thought that if death is a truth why only a specific method to die is crime.
Other forms of killing like capital punishment or killing within boundaries of law are not considered crime though both of them are nearly similar activities.
Some of you may say that murder is a crime because we don't want to be killed, but then we also don't want to be failed in exam, ditched in love so why they re not crime?Does 'want' really has to do something with law?
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BadgerJelly » 10 Dec 2015, 13:14 wrote:Empathy is the reason. The reason anything we define as a crime is a crime ... although in war it is deemed honourable to kill people and not classed as murder ?
Humans are contrary creatures! :)
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