Jordan Peterson (branch from BPD thread)

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Re: Jordan Peterson (branch from BPD thread)

Postby BadgerJelly on December 28th, 2018, 12:34 am 

Just trying to point out if certain people wish to focus on cherry picked words out of context then why not actually hear what he says about Hitler? Most of what Pererson says is perfectly sound. Some of it is openly skeptical, and some bits I find to be unfounded opinion (at least not based on anything substantial enough for me to take too seriously).

Psychologists are trained to try and understand motivations and patterns of human behaviour.
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Re: Jordan Peterson (branch from BPD thread)

Postby hyksos on December 28th, 2018, 1:25 am 

If someone were to meet Jordan Peterson in a public debate venue and state the following claim
J-P said that women should not wear makeup in a workplace.

That claim is disingenuous. Technically it is a false claim, made entirely to smear and discredit. (Yes this was actually done to him.)

If however, you made this claim instead :
J-P said that women who come to work wearing makeup are giving men an invitation to sexual harassment.

That statement would still be disingenuous, but now for a different reason. In this case, J-P did not utter that exact phrase in public or in writing. J-P's devout acolytes could come along and say that you are "taking him out of context" or "cherry picking" him. On a purely technical note, they would be (clerically speaking) correct.

Nevertheless, if you take J-Ps entire talking points lain end-to-end for up to 90 minutes or more during an conversation or debate you will conclude with clarity what he is getting at. J-P has absolutely made a cluster of talking points that absolutely act as support of the claim that a woman who appears in the morning at a workplace wearing makeup is, in some sense, putting out an invitation to be sexually harassed by her male coworkers. In other words, the sexual harassers are not to blame for their behavior. They are just men who acted on "mixed signals" and so carry none of the blame for what they have done. The women wearing her sexy makeup was asking for it.

But wait -- did J-P ever actually state those exact words in that exact order? Of course not. J-P is too intelligent and too crafty to state the conclusion outright. But he will spend 90 minutes lining up all the talking points that go directly in support of that position. J-P knows ahead of time that if ever challenged directly by anyone, he can go into full denial mode, and therefore disarm his opponents in public debate venues.

Don't be seduced into thinking that J-P is a brilliant tactition. This is a passive-aggressive technique of a coward. The cowardice is in his avoidance of taking responsibility for his own positions. The whole crux of J-P's spew about Sexual harrassment pivots along one central locus. THe core claim (never stated outright of course) is that men are never to blame for sexual harrassment. All accused men were simply well-meaning people who temporarily were confused by some ambiguous social signals. It was just a "temporary confusion" and Hey! The girl was asking for it, so don't blame me!
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Re: Jordan Peterson (branch from BPD thread)

Postby davidm on December 28th, 2018, 11:28 am 

Yes, it’s just baroque dog whistling aimed at angry young white males. However, Peterson doesn’t always choose his weasel words well. He once stated clearly in an interview, when challenged on some point or other, “I am an evolutionary biologist.” Well, no you’re not — as P.Z. Myers took pains, and delight, to point out in one of many videos he has made in which he gleefully bashes Peterson and exposes him as the clueless fraud that he is. You know, Peterson is into evolutionary psychology, don’t you know, which for him basically boils down to “patriarchy good!” and, of course, boys will be boys, so you wimmins of the weaker sex just gotta suck it up. Yuck!
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Re: Jordan Peterson (branch from BPD thread)

Postby BadgerJelly on December 28th, 2018, 2:48 pm 

I didn’t think blind stupidity could reach this level on this forum. More fool me!
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Re: Jordan Peterson (branch from BPD thread)

Postby -1- on December 29th, 2018, 11:30 am 

davidm » December 28th, 2018, 11:28 am wrote:You know, Peterson is into evolutionary psychology, don’t you know, which for him basically boils down to “patriarchy good!”

How do you know this? How do you know nothing else exists in Peterson's view of evolutionary psychology but what boils down to "patriarchy good"?

You don't have to answer this question, DavidM. It is just to highlight your scope to others.
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