Ladies and gentlemen,
I am absolutely delighted.
Thank you all.
Braininvat » November 14th, 2015, 5:25 pm wrote:Just for clarity: is Neuro asking if a society can actually be conscious in a literal way, akin to Gaia being a planetary mind? Or are we just exploring the boundaries of an analogy here?
I can't answer to this question.
I was simply looking for a debate among people who come from different backgrounds and perspectives.
And I find it quite interesting.
It is difficult to answer BIV's question because none of us knows what to "be conscious in a literal way" means.
I believe the best we can do is to define some necessary (or possible sufficient) features.
So, there will always be a margin of analogy, and the whole debate can be seen as "exploring the boundaries of an analogy".
What's the difference between a strong analogy and equality?
One usually defines such difference (arbitrarily, a priori) and then says "it's the same", or "it's similar, it's analogous, but it's not the same".
It depends on the definition of the necessary features.
One thing that moved me to open this thread is the apparent relative independence that Art's history, or social organization, display, as if such things evolved independently of the history of the individuals that compose the society, building on previous cultural productions in a quite unpredictable way, carrying over and rediscovering meanings, references, images, archetypes (am I allowed to use this word? may I even say "memes", though it's no more politically correct?).
Well I don't actually know.
I find it particularly pleasant to read all these suggestions and opinions, and feed them in my brain to see whether something interesting comes out